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Are dreams voluntary

Again one is faced with the questions of archetypes. Jung had a proof for his archetypes which contains the assumption that dreams are voluntary.

“the main source (for evidence of archetypes ), then is in dreams, which have the advantage of being involuntary, spontaneous products of the unconscious psyche and are therefore pure products of nature not falsified by any conscious purpose.” Jung. The archetypes of the collective unconscious, p. 48, parra, 100.

I’m not entirely certain this is indeed the case. Sleep is not voluntary. We need it from a evolutionary and biological point of view. Scientifically we must say since dreams are occurring in most humans and almost every animal we have been able to a study of. (Citations needed). We can get into the idea that in essence for the majority of the human race dreams are not voluntary.

This is not to go and show everything Jung says in his continuing proof is flawed. If he had indeed stated that dreams are not voluntarily entered into by the conscience, his remaining evidence actually makes a lot more sense.

Take the examples he draws from religious rituals. I’m certain, from both my experience of trance states and Jungs that he knew these were not involuntary. He most likely knew they were open to influence from those leading the rituals and processes.

He also says that dreams are free of outside influences. Just starring the fact that archetypes exist and then saying they form from dreams that is saying that this is clearly not the case. The dreamer is able to influence the telling of a dream.

I’m not the only one who has found flaws in Jungs work. And I am not saying that merit is vacant from it. However his concept of archetypes is influenced by these two assumptions. I’m not sure using them as he defines them in his work is as pure as many works of more modern times (often spuriously saying things I would rather not credit with the ink they are put to print on). This is of course why I have spent the time researching the actual original text from which of these authors claim to have.